Talk Cosmos · Season 9 · Week 4 Panel · Sun 29 Mar 2026
The US 2nd Government: America’s Constitutional Chart
Host: Sue Rose Minahan · Guest: Karen Wennerlind · 1 hr · KKNW / YouTube / Podcast
Episode Summary
Most people mark the birth of the United States on July 4, 1776 — but that only begins the story. Together, host astrologer Sue Rose Minahan with astrologer Karen Wennerlind explore the astrological chart of America’s second government, the US Constitution. Effective on March 4, 1789, the Constitution remains the guiding law of the nation. This is a timely look with the federal government and courts being front and center in public life right now. To consider what the stars reveal about the nation’s founding framework — and what is important now. The conversation centers on the Constitution chart’s Progressed Moon conjuncting natal Mars in late Aquarius with transiting nodes in Mid-June 2026.
Soon afterwards, the Progressed Moon ingresses into Pisces.This shift moves the country’s collective emotional lens from intellectual debate about law into a felt, personal question of whether government is truly serving the people.
Conversation Participants
Karen Wennerlind — Seattle, Washington
Professional astrologer and business consultant with 30+ years of practice. Combines Western and Uranian astrology, tarot, mythology, metaphysics, and mediumship. Solar Fire Software representative and mentor. Certified for Horary. Boards include WSAA (President), Kepler College, and Council of Vedic Astrology. Contact: KWennerlind@comcast.net
Sue Rose Minahan — Kailua-Kona, Hawai’i
Founder and host of Talk Cosmos. Guides weekly astrological conversations exploring astrology’s energetic cycles. Topics span world events, consciousness, and the soul’s path. Season 9 now streaming. TalkCosmos.com
Frequently Asked Questions
Why is March 4, 1789 considered a second US government — not just a continuation of the first?
The original framework
The original US government operated under the Articles of Confederation, ratified in 1781. That framework was critically limited. It could not enforce tax collection from states or adequately pay war debts and soldiers.
A new document
After years of struggle, a constitutional convention produced an entirely new document in 1787. The first Congress convened on March 4, 1789 in New York and formally approved the Constitution. This created a structurally different government with three branches and enforceable federal authority. A Bill of Rights subsequently came into being. Astrologers treat the Constitution as a distinct national chart.
What is special about the astrological chart for March 4, 1789?
The Pisces signature
The chart features a Pisces Sun conjunct Saturn and Mercury retrograde. This reflects a government built on collective ideals and structured law. Mercury retrograde here suggests thinking ahead of its time.
Key chart patterns
The Moon and Sun form a first-quarter square — action-oriented tension between the people and leadership. The 10th house is prominent, pointing to the structure of governance itself. A minor grand trine involves Neptune, Pluto, and Ceres in Sagittarius in the 6th house. This speaks to how government serves everyday life. Multiple “learning triangles” combine a square, trine, and quincunx. They describe a system designed to adjust through ongoing tension between its branches.
What are secondary progressions and why do they matter for this chart?
The formula
Secondary progressions use a symbolic formula: one day of real time equals one year of life. Moving the chart forward day by day tracks the inner evolution of a nation over time.
The progressed Moon
The progressed Moon moves through a zodiac sign over roughly two and a half years. It describes the emotional or collective focus of that period. For the 1789 Constitution chart, the progressed Moon is currently in late Aquarius. It will conjunct natal Mars — both at 29° 6′ — in June 2026.
What does the Progressed Moon conjunct natal Mars in late Aquarius mean for the US right now?
Mars in the 9th house
Mars in Aquarius in the 9th house relates to action and assertion in courts and law. The progressed Moon meets it at the final, critical 29th degree of Aquarius in June 2026. This intensifies the energy at a key moment in the judicial calendar.
What to expect
June is when the Supreme Court issues its most consequential rulings before summer recess. This points to heightened emotional investment in legal outcomes. Strong reactions across different groups are indicated. Sharp debate about the direction and authority of the courts is likely.
What changes when the Progressed Moon moves into Pisces in July 2026?
A shift in collective focus
The move from Aquarius to Pisces marks a significant transition in national mood. Aquarius asks: what does the Constitution say? Pisces asks: does this serve me? The conversation shifts from legal principle to lived personal experience.
The next two and a half years
Public mood will be guided less by legal argument and more by felt experience. People will ask whether they feel connected to and protected by their government. This is a significant emotional reframe for the country.
Why does the Constitution have Mercury retrograde in its chart, and what does that mean?
Ahead of its time
Mercury retrograde in a foundational chart often signals ideas ahead of their time. The Constitution’s ideas were visionary and not easily grasped at first. Ratification was difficult. A Bill of Rights was needed to secure the ninth state’s approval.
An ongoing process
The retrograde quality suggests a continuous process of revisiting and reinterpreting. This is exactly how constitutional law has functioned for 237 years. Amendments, court rulings, and legislative evolution reflect this quality.
How does astrology explain the tension between the three branches of government?
Learning triangles
The Constitution chart contains configurations called “learning triangles.” Each combines a square (friction), a trine (flow), and a quincunx (adjustment). They describe entities that cannot easily communicate directly. Yet each can find common ground through a third point.
Jupiter, Pluto, and Neptune
In the chart, Jupiter and Pluto learn to work together through Neptune. This fits institutions with very different power bases finding alignment through shared ideals. The 9th, 10th, and 11th houses — courts, executive, and legislature — are all in dynamic relationship.
Where can I watch, listen, or connect with Talk Cosmos or Karen Wennerlind?
Talk Cosmos
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Karen Wennerlind
Reach Karen at KWennerlind@comcast.net. She will be the Solar Fire representative at NORWAC, Memorial Day weekend 2026. NORWAC runs May 29–31 at the DoubleTree Hotel near SeaTac. Her bookstore table is open to visitors without a conference registration.
What do the stars say about America’s founding law — and what’s coming this June? Watch the full conversation here.
